Magpie knife defence

[ChuckManson]

How is it that JKA Shotokan Shodans are knife defence experts?

They dont learn it,
they dont train it,
They dont understand it,
But they fool people into believing that they are in the know

This attitude and blatant self promotion borders on false advertising

I dont claim to have ethos, so these people should stop claiming to know stuff because its in a Kata: that they dont know.

So this is open to all JKA Karate people out there....

How would you people know anything about knife defence if you dont actually train it?

Now before the trolls get their noses out of joint I'll rephrase the question.....

How can anyone claim to know something that they have never learnt, trained or practiced?

[Sor.NakSooMuayThai]

Youtube....derr

We have basic weaponry work in our syllabus, and I would never give my students the belief I am an expert in weaponry attack and defense. But I will share what I know, expanding upon the syllabus. I try to get out and train with other MA's and this adds, and sometimes replaces what I teach. I am lucky to have been taught a couple of tricks by people that not only I respect, but the greater MA community does too.

Unfortunately too many 'schools' out there are indeed spouting 'gospel' about self-defense, and I believe it is false-advertising. Most people with half a brain will figure this out quickly, but sdly many don't. What do you do about it? I do not believein rubbishing another's school or art (although this happens to me regularly)...

[magpie]

Hi Rob

Why do you take it personally when i write an article on my blog?

Its just my thoughts and opinion, nothing more nothing less.

This is the article that Rob doesnt agree with and thats fine with me. like i said its just my thought and opinions.
http://shotokankarate-magpie.blogspot.c ... 0chance%3F

What i want to say is that i dont represent the JKA and i have not been a member for 10 years, so anytime you write articles like this one you are not attacking me but the organisation that is known as the JKA.

No skin of my nose but i just hope for your sake no one with an interest from the JKA sees this article.

BTW Rob the shotokan tiger doesn't represent the JKA, they may use it as a badge on their gi but so do hundreds of other shotokan schools.

This is the JKA badge and the organsiation you are refering to.

[truthseeker]

I just have a question about your commenst in you blog magpie. You say distance and mobility is the best option in a knife attack. What makes you believe this is the best option? I haven't seen every knife defense out there but all of the most effective ones I have seen concentrate on closing the gap and operating in clinch range.

So a guy starts attacking you with a knife and you maintain a safe distance and are very mobile. What then??? At the end of the day inorder to disable an attacker you need to be in contact with them.

The funny thing is that you spout all of this crap and have a video of Ray Floro on your blog when his defense operates from close range.

Cheers
Sam

[ChuckManson]

Frank,

I didnt name this thread "JKA is a fraud"

I said "JKA fraud" and you are a JKA fraud, you say you haven't trained for 10 years but continue to present yourself as some kind of expert in the field.

I do take it personally because if you were blogging about Kata and point sparring and other things you would have learnt then I would have no problem; as I have no problem with anyone here talking about "their art".

But you w@nk off about JKD, Knife defence, RBSD, MMA, Muay Thai, Grappling etc and continue to have your know it all attitude about it, you mislead people by presenting yourself as a valid opinion and again YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT.

That knife defence article is just down right offensive to anyone, instructor or student that actually gets off their arse and makes an effort to empower themselves by rocking up to training,

One more time so you get it...

That knife defence article is just down right offensive to anyone, instructor or student that actually gets off their arse and makes an effort to empower themselves by rocking up to training,

OK, one more time because I know you like pretending that you're a little thick.....

That knife defence article is just down right offensive to anyone, instructor or student that actually gets off their arse and makes an effort to empower themselves by rocking up to training.

[ffsguy]

I hope you do get back to training Frank...trust me...it will be nerve wracking going back but once you over that obstacle and complete a class you will feel as though you have won a victory and feel great...weve clashed and probably will again but I hope you do it.

[magpie]

Hi Rob

Good to see you haven't lost the spirit.

What do you expect Rob to come on here and talk to a bunch of sheep (baa-baa) like your the all conquering sheppard?

Are we not allowed to question things that perhaps you are a part of like for example scenario training?

Are you saying you are faultless? or perfect? and talking about such matters is sacriligious?

Are we not allowed to question anything that you may just happen to be a part of?

Just exactly what dont you like about the article, there are no triple summer saults followed by a few flying kicks added for good measure.

The last time i looked it was still a free country and we are still allowed to express our thoughts are we not?

I will talk about what ever subject i find of interest on my blog thank you very much, after all your the one that is reading it and getting mad, i never asked you to read it?

So if it p!sses you off, bite your tongue my friend.

Hey Rob i just thought of something, maybe you could be my editor? Heaven forbid would there be anything left on my blog????

Rob wrote:
I do take it personally because if you were blogging about Kata and point sparring

That may be your interpretation of karate Rob and your attempt to pigeon hole it, but i can guarantee you its much more than that.

How do you know what takes place in a karate school?

Maybe there is scenario training e.g.multiple attackers, sticks and weapons?

If the instructor is that way inclined he will teach it, i haven't seen a written law that says you cannot do any of the things that take place in an RBSD class in a traditional karate class, even holds arm bars etc etc.

[magpie]

I hope you do get back to training Frank...trust me...it will be nerve wracking going back but once you over that obstacle and complete a class you will feel as though you have won a victory and feel great...weve clashed and probably will again but I hope you do it.

Hi Paul

Its good to hear your back at training, yeah i can just imagine how it will be, my day is coming too in the near future.

[magpie]

Hey Paul

How long did the lesson go for and how was your fitness at the end?

Did you have to stop more often than the rest of the guys, because i think i will have to.

[ffsguy]

Id been running and hammering the weights but I pulled up ok because unlike last time I went back to test the shoulder, I paced myself.
I favour the right / power side forward where I can and minimise the heavy shots with the left hand.
The kicks into the shields and pads nearly killed me though....felt great driving home

[magpie]

Id been running and hammering the weights but I pulled up ok because unlike last time I went back to test the shoulder, I paced myself.
I favour the right / power side forward where I can and minimise the heavy shots with the left hand.
The kicks into the shields and pads nearly killed me though....felt great driving home

Good to hear mate.

Ahh that fealing of being knackered yet strong enough to take a bull on, i haven't had it for a while.

[magpie]

I just have a question about your commenst in you blog magpie. You say distance and mobility is the best option in a knife attack. What makes you believe this is the best option? I haven't seen every knife defense out there but all of the most effective ones I have seen concentrate on closing the gap and operating in clinch range.

So a guy starts attacking you with a knife and you maintain a safe distance and are very mobile. What then??? At the end of the day inorder to disable an attacker you need to be in contact with them.

The funny thing is that you spout all of this crap and have a video of Ray Floro on your blog when his defense operates from close range.

Cheers
Sam

Hi Sam

Its all there my friend, there is no need to elaborate any further.

Joe Saunders and Ray Floro
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYmPcPUceVk

[truthseeker]

So what you are saying Frank is keep your distance, be mobile use your weaker arm as a shield and sacrifice it if necessary and try to punch them in the nose. Good luck with that!!!!


I don't believe you have tried this Frank and I know that if you searched reputable knife instruction videos they wouldn't suggest any such thing. You may wanna do some more research on youtube. This one you have actually pulled out of your ar$e.

Cheers
Sam

[magpie]

Thanks Sam

What would your solution be?

I never claimed to be a knife expert Sam, like i have to keep reminding you its my thoughts and opinion.

[truthseeker]

Well given I train with Juggs that is pretty much how I deal with edged weapons and I am yet to find a more effective method of doing so. I am sure there must be past posts regarding knife defense from everyone here. Where did you opinions come from? If you are not training they could not have come from there. If shotokan doesnt deal with edged weapons they can't have come from there. Where did they com from?